Author Topic: CFS Research Funding (2011)  (Read 922 times)

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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2012, 09:05:34 AM »
Dr. Montoya is our silent hero. While all other doctors at the Stanford Infectious Disease Clinic refuse to see anyone with a CFS diagnosis, Dr.Montoya, besides trying to do research and getting the new CFS clinic running, is struggling to treat as many patients as possible on his four year long waiting list. He is trying to get funds to hire an assistant, so more patients can be treated. He also helps patients with all aspects, i.e. processing forms for disability in a fast manner and having a fund for those who need assistance with medical costs. He stands up for us, against all of his colleagues, and is getting CFS to be taken serious at a prestigious clinic like Stanford. I spoke to the head researcher at the Stanford Systems Neroscience and Pain lab the other day and he knew all about the NIH study, XMRV, etc. We can thank Dr. Montoya for this. Dr. Montoya probably spends more time saying, "CFS is a real disease." than we do. He deserves every bit of support we can give him.
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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2012, 10:07:20 AM »
Dr. Montoya probably spends more time saying, "CFS is a real disease." than we do.

Dr. Montoya does not say this. 

It's very important that everyone realizes that CFS (like AIDS) is NOT a disease. 

A syndrome is a syndrome (not a disease).  CFS and AIDS (both syndromes) are political paradigms.

Now you could argue, that most CFS patients (syndrome) should be diagnosed as ME (disease), and you'd probably be right.  But that's another issue.

I agree with everything else you said.  Thanks for all the great info!
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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2012, 10:39:53 AM »
I am afraid that he does. Indeed it is his opening remark:

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome: Stanford Medical Minutes with Dr. Montoya


Posted 11 April 2011. Although it was reposted yesterday as it happens on MEA Facebook page, hence I felt able to comment.

Very good video is was too if I recall from my first viewing last year. Am listening/watching it again now.

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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2012, 01:11:44 PM »
Thank you for posting that video of Dr. Montoya, Firestormm.

There is a transcript of this video in the forum wiki:

http://www.mecfsforums.com/wiki/Chronic_Fatigue_Syndrome,_Stanford_Medical_Minute,_2011
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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2012, 02:07:24 PM »
We also need to be doing several things simultaneously. We need to be raising money directly for research programs like Montoyas, while pushing local and federal government to put some priority in us, and presenting our angle so the media is interested in publishing what we have to say. Tiring just to think about.

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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2012, 01:58:08 AM »
I am afraid that he does. Indeed it is his opening remark.
 

Yikes. That's disturbing because Montoya is wrong.  Being that he is a MD, he must know that a syndrome is a not a disease.  To his defense, perhaps he is dumbing it down for people...though I hate when people do that.  His talk is otherwise quite good.

Anyhow, I am currently trying to get the 'Occupy' people to pick-up my CFS/HIV revolution.  Who better than a bunch of young, passionate, healthy, motivated people to help a bunch of sick, dying neglected patients whose government sold-out global public health for sake of profit?  I hope my strategy works because I know we are all too sick to spearhead it.  I keep trying to leverage efforts that are already established.  Fingers crossed.
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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2012, 05:46:48 AM »
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Anyhow, I am currently trying to get the 'Occupy' people to pick-up my CFS/HIV revolution.  Who better than a bunch of young, passionate, healthy, motivated people to help a bunch of sick, dying neglected patients whose government sold-out global public health for sake of profit?  I hope my strategy works because I know we are all too sick to spearhead it.  I keep trying to leverage efforts that are already established.  Fingers crossed.

Brava!  I certainly hope it works.  That would be a real boon to all of us.
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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2012, 11:20:12 AM »
 

Yikes. That's disturbing because Montoya is wrong.  Being that he is a MD, he must know that a syndrome is a not a disease.  To his defense, perhaps he is dumbing it down for people...though I hate when people do that.  His talk is otherwise quite good.


I (obviously) don't live in the US but from my understanding of your system, only CFS is afforded as an officially recognised diagnosis (or perhaps I should further clarify: by CDC and NIH). Or so I understood at the time of Montoya's video anyway?

Recently, there has been a marked change in thinking/labelling of course. Though I notice some have considered it a backward or even confusing step by the NIH:

'CFS is Out – ME/CFS is In – In contrast to the CDC, which has asserted that myalgic encephalomyelitis and CFS are separate disorders, the NIH now believes they are essentially the same disorder and states that chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) is ‘sometimes referred to as myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME)’. In a distinct change from past PA’s, the term ‘CFS’ is gone and has been replaced by ‘ME/CFS’ throughout the document.'

You'll notice though (from the PR piece*) that apparently the CDC did indeed recognise ME and CFS as distinct disorders - though I think this is wrong and/or I am (one of the two!)

My point I suppose is that for a great many folk in the US, CFS was the only diagnosis they received. There was no 'ME' distinction. Now though - rightly or wrongly - the NIH it seems with their Working Group on ME/CFS have at least come into line with the UK.

Though over here - officially - the CFS comes before the ME!  :-X

What's your opinion of this 'recognition' by the NIH? Am not sure it has been covered on this forum.

I'd also like to learn more about the CDC's apparent recognition of ME and CFS as distinct disorders and whether or not this is true - if you are able to help?

So Montoya may indeed have meant what he said. CFS is very much recognised by him and others as a 'real disease' although we could now legitimately extend his comment perhaps to 'include' ME/CFS.

Although I would go so far as to say, he actually meant one and the same thing (in that context) i.e. either separately or together 'both' are 'real diseases'.

I still regard this video as being a great one for anyone with either/both labels to watch and pass on to their families/friends and even doctors.

(* http://forums.phoenixrising.me/content.php?529-The-Biggest-Research-Funder-in-the-World-on-ME-CFS-The-NIH-on-ME-CFS-in-2012-Pt-I  Sorry but it's the only place I have read about this happening on any forum.)

Anyhow, I am currently trying to get the 'Occupy' people to pick-up my CFS/HIV revolution.  Who better than a bunch of young, passionate, healthy, motivated people to help a bunch of sick, dying neglected patients whose government sold-out global public health for sake of profit?  I hope my strategy works because I know we are all too sick to spearhead it.  I keep trying to leverage efforts that are already established.  Fingers crossed.


I also wish you great success with this one CFSBoston.  :)
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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #38 on: February 10, 2012, 12:20:55 AM »
Brava!  I certainly hope it works.  That would be a real boon to all of us.

Occupy Kansas City posted my letter on their blog today: http://occupykcjournal.com/blog/.  ODallas told me their editorial board had to review it first. NZ Journal of Natural Medicine agreed to it as well.  Could a revolution really happen in my lifetime?  My life would be complete.
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« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2012, 01:41:27 AM »
Occupy Kansas City posted my letter on their blog today: http://occupykcjournal.com/blog/.  ODallas told me their editorial board had to review it first. NZ Journal of Natural Medicine agreed to it as well.  Could a revolution really happen in my lifetime?  My life would be complete.


Good going! Any help we can get is good.
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Re: CFS Research Funding (2011)
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2012, 04:37:25 AM »
Occupy Kansas City posted my letter on their blog today: http://occupykcjournal.com/blog/.  ODallas told me their editorial board had to review it first. NZ Journal of Natural Medicine agreed to it as well.  Could a revolution really happen in my lifetime?  My life would be complete.


Thank you for helping, CFSBOSTON.