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Firestormm

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XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« on: January 11, 2012, 01:01:05 PM »
XMRV and prostate cancer-a 'final' perspective.
Sfanos KS, Aloia AL, De Marzo AM, Rein A.
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Department of Pathology, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD 21231, USA.
Abstract

XMRV was first described in 2006, when it was identified in samples isolated from prostate cancer tissues. However, studies have since shown that XMRV arose in the laboratory and was formed by genetic recombination between two viral genomes carried in the germline DNA of mice used during serial transplantation of the CWR22 prostate cancer xenograft. These new findings strongly imply that XMRV does not circulate in humans, but is only present in the laboratory. Thus, there is no reason to believe that it has any role in the etiology of prostate cancer or other diseases.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22231291

Date is 10 January 2012 and it was picked up in Nature Urology put is pay per view.

Thanks Jemal.

Any chance of a 'boosh'? Might only be a summary but I would like a look if possible.

p.s. I couldn't see this posted on this forum.

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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 01:18:11 PM »
I would be very sceptical of this paper.

Paprotka has not been subjected to serious scrutiny and should be. If you can not establish a link based on a single paper, you can't REFUTE such a link either.

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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 01:36:35 PM »
There are umpteen variations of XMRV, but they are damned to keep suggesting there is only one, VP62, which we all know was purposely created by Silverman, and not by a recombination event in the 1990s.

How long are they going to keep getting away with spouting this tripe when the JHK virus (now disclosed as a XMRV variant), and the Lithuanian discovery have both modified in Genbank only last month.

The Lithuanians now have a complete proviral genome, isolate XMRV/S-162 from prostate cells: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/FR872816.1?forumid=331851 
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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2012, 01:54:39 PM »
VP62, which we all know was purposely created by Silverman, and not by a recombination event in the 1990s.

I'd be careful here bully. Entirely possible it was Silverman's lab creation, but saying it was done on purpose is a stretch that jumps into conspiracy territory, can't be proven and is not something we "all know" to be true as a result. An accident seems more likely.

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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2012, 02:37:41 PM »
Sorry, you're right, Awol, what I should say is they purposely created a clone, but it was unknowingly contaminated. I didn't mean it was purposely created for unethical reasons.
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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2012, 04:10:32 PM »
Any chance of a 'boosh'? Might only be a summary but I would like a look if possible.


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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 05:38:17 PM »
Thankee kindly  :)

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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 11:00:42 AM »
One reason I kinda like these critical review papers is because they tend to summarise things in an easier to understand format - and of course one knows the source which is rather comforting when one encounters things said on-line etc. I digress:

'Box 1 | Murine leukemia viruses

Murine leukemia viruses (MLVs) are prototypical gammaretroviruses.65,66 Their overall structure and replication cycle are similar to those of other retroviruses, including HIV 1.

The virus particle is roughly spherical, ~100 nm in diameter, and bounded by a lipid bilayer. It is constructed from the virus-coded Gag proteins and also contains the viral enzymes protease, reverse transcriptase, and integrase (known together as Pol) as well as the Env proteins that mediate the entry of the particle into new host cells and two copies of the viral RNA genome.

Proteins from the virus-producing cell are also present within the particle. MLVs are among the simplest retroviruses, encoding only the three polyproteins—Gag, Pol and Env—that will be assembled into progeny virus particles.

After the virus particle is released from the virus-producing cell, each of the polyproteins is cleaved by the viral protease. This maturation step is essential for infectivity.

When an MLV particle infects a new cell, its reverse transcriptase copies the viral RNA into double-stranded DNA. Integrase physically inserts this DNA copy into the chromosomal DNA of the cell, and it is then replicated as part of the cell’s genetic material and is transcribed and translated by normal cellular machinery. Productive infection is generally harmless for the cell.

MLVs are found in mice in the wild and have been studied extensively in the laboratory. They have been engineered to create vectors for gene therapy.

Both MLV in MLV-infected mice and the vectors administered to children can cause tumors by insertional mutagenesis—while the chromosomal integration site of the viral DNA is nearly random, it is occasionally near a gene involved in regulation of cell growth.

It can then interrupt the gene or alter its expression. The resulting disruption of the signal-transduction pathways controlling cellular replication is a principal mechanism by which these viruses cause tumors.

Box 2 | Endogenous and xenotropic MLVs

Integration of the viral DNA into the chromosomal DNA of the host cell is an essential step in the retroviral replication cycle. This DNA (the provirus) is then copied along with the rest of the cell’s DNA and is faithfully transmitted to the daughter cells at cell division.

Infection sometimes occurs in cells of the germline of the infected organism, so that the provirus is also transmitted to the organism’s offspring. Such a provirus is referred to as an endogenous virus. The genomes of laboratory mice contain over 100 endogenous MLV genomes67

One of the factors that determines which cells can be infected by a given retrovirus is the interaction of the viral Env protein, which mediates entry into the cell via a receptor on the cell surface.

MLV Env proteins are polymorphic and different MLV isolates use different cellular receptors. Some endogenous MLVs give rise to infectious MLVs with a surprising property: although these particles can infect cells of other species, they cannot infect mouse cells.

These endogenous MLVs are termed xenotropic MLVs. Evidently, these viruses were able to utilize the cellular receptor when they infected mouse germline cells many generations ago. However, in the intervening years, natural selection has altered the receptor, rendering contemporary mice resistant to these viruses.

The majority of endogenous MLV genomes are classified into groups called ‘polytropic’ and ‘modified polytropic’. To our knowledge, polytropic and modified polytropic endogenous MLV genomes do not give rise to infectious MLV.'

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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 11:01:03 AM »
Quite fascinating how the story of XMRV and prostate cancer is so similar to XMRV and CFS but I figured we should stick to the part that seeks to explain the contradictions seen in both PS and CFS studies i.e. why perhaps some studies were ‘positive’ and others not:

‘By 2010, the XMRV literature was filled with stark, inescapable contradictions and concerns were being raised regarding false-positive results in assays for XMRV caused by laboratory-based contamination.

Detection of XMRV and related viruses in clinical samples often relied on PCR for detection of viral nucleic acids; however, mice contain endogenous viral sequences that can be amplified with “XMRV-specific” primers in PCR-based assays.40

Thus, PCR assays for XMRV are particularly susceptible to false-positive results owing to the presence of the MLV genomes in mouse DNA and the extraordinary sensitivity of the assays. Every mouse cell contains at least 100 MLV genomes.

Therefore, a millionth of a microliter of mouse blood contains sequences that can potentially be ampli¬fied in “XMRV-specific” PCR. As mice are ubiquitous in biomedical research, it can be very difficult to obtain clinical samples without trace amounts of murine DNA.

An important step that helped to clarify the role of contaminating mouse DNA in XMRV assays was the development of PCR assays for murine sequences, including mitochon¬drial cytochrome oxidase and intracisternal A particle (IAP) sequences.41

As there are approximately 1,000 copies of the IAP retrotransposon in the mouse genome, testing for IAP sequences is an extremely sensitive way of detecting the presence of mouse DNA. When these assays were applied to a series of clinical samples, every sample that had been scored as XMRV-positive was also found to contain IAP sequences.41,42

A number of commercial reagents used in assays for XMRV (such as Taq polymerases, PCR master mixes, RT PCR kits and extraction columns) have also been found to contain trace amounts of murine nucleic acids and might, therefore, explain positive results.43–45

In some studies, XMRV is detected more frequently in samples from patients with a disease than control subjects. This appar¬ent association of the virus with disease is, at first glance, difficult to reconcile with the idea that the positive results represent contamination.

However, it must be con¬sidered that the disease samples might be collected or handled differently, or at dif¬ferent times, compared with the controls.

As suggested by Weiss,2 it is also possible that disease samples might simply be handled more often than “job-lot” control samples, increasing the opportunities for potential contamination to occur.

Given the extraordinary sensitivity of PCR, which can detect single molecules of template, it seems likely that it could even detect airborne nucleic acid molecules in the laboratory.

A very important development in recon¬ciling the contradictions between different laboratories has emerged from a joint study organized as the Blood XMRV Scientific Research Working Group (SRWG).46

This group sent blinded samples (positive control samples spiked with XMRV, nega¬tive control samples with no XMRV, and clinical samples from patients previously reported to be positive for XMRV) to nine different laboratories for testing by nested PCR, virus culture and serology.

Two laboratories that had collaborated in the original report on XMRV in CFS samples36 were the only laboratories to report detection of XMRV in clinical samples.

However, these two laboratories also “detected” XMRV in negative control samples that did not contain the virus, providing direct, unequivocal evidence that the assays used in these laboratories suffer from some artifacts producing positive results in the absence of XMRV.46

Of particular note, in the SRWG study, the Lo et al.39 labora¬tory found no XMRV in any of five of their previously reported positive samples or in 10 samples previously reported as positive by Lombardi et al.,36 despite their ability to detect XMRV in all five of the spiked positive controls.46

IHC has also been used to detect XMRV in clinical samples. Surprisingly, this method seemed more sensitive than PCR in the work of Schlaberg et al.8

One concern regarding this work is the way in which the anti-XMRV antiserum was generated whole viral particles produced in human cells were used as the immunogen.

However, retrovirus particles contain cellular proteins in addition to viral proteins.47,48 Thus, this immunization is likely to have generated antibodies against human proteins, as well as against the viral proteins.

Stieler et al.22 have reported that the antiserum used by Schlaberg can recognize cellular proteins in non-infected human and mouse cell lines. Furthermore, Sakuma et al.16 compared the staining by an anti-MLV p30/gp70 antibody that can detect XMRV precursor Gag, CA, and Env proteins to that by the anti-XMRV antiserum used by Schlaberg and colleagues8 in IHC assays on prostate cancer tissues.

Both antibodies reproducibly stained 293T cells transfected with an XMRV clone in positive control assays. However, only the anti-XMRV antiserum used by Schlaberg et al.8 stained areas of prostate tumor epithelium, whereas the anti-MLV p30/gp70 antibody did not show positive staining in any of the tissues.

Sakuma et al.16 concluded that “we cannot detect XMRV in prostate cancer tissues and that the antibody described by Schlaberg, Singh and colleagues recognizes non-viral proteins in addition to XMRV”.16

In our own studies, we received prostate cancer tissue sections (kindly provided by Dr Ila Singh, University of Utah) from a number of the same patients tested by Schlaberg et al.8 The samples were predicted to be XMRV-positive based on the previous IHC results with the anti-XMRV antiserum.8

However, the sections did not stain with two different broadly reactive MLV antisera that had previously detected XMRV in positive control assays.18 Taken together, the evidence suggests that it is highly unlikely that the IHC staining observed by Schlaberg et al.8 represents the true presence of XMRV.

Finally, one surprising feature of all XMRV sequences reported in clinical samples is their uniformity. Five sequences purportedly isolated from patient samples were found to be, on average, >99.9% identical to each other at the nucleotide level.49

This near-identity of XMRV sequences is difficult to reconcile with the error-prone nature of retroviral replication. In fact, different HIV 1 genomes isolated from a single infected individual show far more divergence than is seen in the entire set of XMRV sequences published to date.

However, it should be noted that the sequence diversity of different isolates of human T cell leukemia virus type 1 (HTLV) (a member of the deltaretrovirus genus, distinct from both MLVs and lentiretroviruses such as HIV 1) is also far lower than that of HIV 1, although not as low as that in XMRV.50

As sequence diversity is generated during the viral replication cycle, it is likely that there is much less ongoing viral replication in an HTLV-infected individual than in an individual infected with HIV 1.51 The level of replication in an MLV-infected, viremic mouse is not known.'

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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 01:42:46 PM »
Thanks for posting that, Firestormm. I thought it was very interesting, especially the comments on problems with the 'anti-XMRV' antibody findings.

One thing that surprised me was the exclusive PCR focus on mouse DNA contamination. First, both Lo & Mikovits said IAP and mitochondrial DNA assays were negative on their samples. Second, the Towers phylogenetic study pointed the finger at 22Rv1 and Bob Silverman duly declared he found VP62 contamination in his samples, again not from mouse contamination. Does the new paper address this?

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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 05:38:40 PM »
Hi Ocean,

I was going to look again at the Silverman retraction actually as I don't recall the exact reasons given or how he reached his conclusion now. It would be great to hear from those who are thought to have suffered contamination that they have revisited and found the source - you know like Singh did for example. I don't know if such a thing is possible though or indeed whether the method mentioned above for detecting contamination is 'cast iron' so to speak. I dare say they can only speculate on how these results came to pass and narrow things down a bit more.

Edit:

'A reexamination by Silverman and Das Gupta of the samples they used shows that some of the CFS peripheral blood mononuclear cell (PBMC) DNA preparations are contaminated with XMRV plasmid DNA (2).'

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/early/2011/09/21/science.1212182.full.pdf

I don't know that there is any more detail available than this Ocean. Like Singh perhaps they simply went back over what they had done and found the source of the contamination? A case of search, search and search again.
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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 08:17:34 PM »
Silverman hasn't retracted his XMRV work.  Only his mistake in Lombardi et al.  You know how he said it was XMRV and it wasn't. 

Silverman used methods that cannot be contamination in Urisman.  They all they know that.

In his retraction of integration sites he does not recognised this has occurred many times before.

He should redo the testing, not retract because he is under pressure.
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Re: XMRV and prostate cancer a 'final' perspective
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 08:22:45 PM »
Quite fascinating how the story of XMRV and prostate cancer is so similar to XMRV and CFS but I figured we should stick to the part that seeks to explain the contradictions seen in both PS and CFS studies i.e. why perhaps some studies were ‘positive’ and others not:



The assays used.

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NEG Article: XMRV and prostate cancer—a 'final' perspective (March 2012)
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 05:39:55 PM »
http://www.nature.com/nrurol/journal/v9/n2/full/nrurol.2011.225.html

PerspectivesNature Reviews Urology 9, 111-118 (March 2012) |

doi:10.1038/nrurol.2011.225

XMRV and prostate cancer—a 'final' perspective                             

Karen S.  Sfanos, Amanda L.  Aloia, Angelo M.  De Marzo & Alan  Rein
 
Abstract

XMRV was first described in 2006, when it was identified in samples isolated from prostate cancer tissues. However, studies have since shown that XMRV arose in the laboratory and was formed by genetic recombination between two viral genomes carried in the germline DNA of mice used during serial transplantation of the CWR22 prostate cancer xenograft. These new findings strongly imply that XMRV does not circulate in humans, but is only present in the laboratory. Thus, there is no reason to believe that it has any role in the etiology of prostate cancer or other diseases.
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Re: NEG Article: XMRV and prostate cancer—a 'final' perspective (March 2012)
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2012, 06:00:39 PM »
Yes they figure if they say it enough it will make it so.  We know what the XMRV they've been looking for is, thank you very much Silverman.  Now can they start looking for the one actually found and not his contamination. People are sick and dying out here.
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