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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #135 on: April 12, 2012, 01:36:21 PM »
A long time ago, in a laboratory far, far, away....  ;D

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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #136 on: April 12, 2012, 07:27:54 PM »
I also sought clarification from Dr. Lipkin.  He replied:

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We plan to complete the first round of testing by the end of April. However, additional rounds of testing may be required. The timeline for completing the study and revealing the results is in the hands of the labs doing the research.
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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #137 on: April 12, 2012, 08:03:58 PM »
In the hands.... of the Gods  ;D

Thanks Wd.

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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #138 on: April 13, 2012, 01:25:19 AM »
Thanks Wildaisy for going right to the source.

Here is some information that I posted on the PR Forum regarding what I have learned about several of these studies.  Please note the information I am posting was not obtained directly from the individuals who are heading up these studies.

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?11518-MONTOYA-STUDY-needs-more-participants&p=254197#post254197

Lipkin Pathogen Gene Expression Study and Lipkin NIH Study

"If you participated in one of the recent CFS/ME studies you can contact the research center where the testing was conducted and ask if they can provide you with a current status update on the study(s).

Here is my understanding of the current estimate for completion of the Stanford/Lipkin gene expression/pathogen study. Testing is currently underway and the earliest the study is slated to be completed is June. Individual participants will receive a written report with their own test results. However, the report may not be in a format that can be easily interpreted. Therefore, some additional assistance will probably be offered to help with interpretaton of these results.

The NIH study, overseen by Dr. Lipkin, has completed the colletion collection of all the required samples and testing has begun. Estimated time for completion of the study is in 2012. Publication of the final results of the study will probably take about one year from the date the study is completed. Participants will not receive individual test results from this study.

The information provided above is my personal understanding of the current status of these two studies. Based on my past involvement with research studies, the dates given for completion and publication of a study are always estimates and often seem to be more like a moving target. "

Valcyte Study

"It is my understanding that the second Valcyte study paper is currently undergoing a review process in preparation for submission for publication. "

(Note the cross-out is my own correction to the original posting.  Unfortunately, my typing and proofreading skills are suffering along with the rest of my cognitive shortcomings.  :-[)

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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #139 on: April 13, 2012, 01:32:20 AM »
Thank you, Wally.  I think a lot of us are eager for any information we can get about all these studies.  I appreciate you posting this.
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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #140 on: April 13, 2012, 02:29:31 AM »
When will results be revealed?  at publication?  Are they being told to not tell people whose lives depend on the results?

What is the operational definition of "additional rounds"?  "Nobody found anything"?  Will we be told about them?
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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #141 on: April 13, 2012, 03:38:58 AM »
Humanity,

Not aware of any set date to "reveal" findings from any of the studies.  I do not have any information about what has been found in any of these studies.  Normally, if a study is "published" in an open access forum anyone can review the study results.  Some studies may be published behind a pay wall where you need some type of membership access or some studies are never published for public review.

I don't know of an "operational" definition of "additional rounds".  However, I believe in many research studies there are often multiple phases/rounds of testing.

Not sure what you mean about "will we be told about them"?  However, I would guess/expect that some type of statement regarding these studies will eventually be made public.

Not sure what you mean about "are we being managed"?  Most research studies are actively managed and I would guess/expect that more high profile studies would require additional oversight/management.  However, I have no knowledge of the type of management that is in place for each of these studies.

Wally (Just a ME/CFS patient floating around out here in cyberspace)







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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #142 on: April 13, 2012, 03:39:27 AM »
Thanks Wally!!! Checking on that was on my endless to do list. It's kind of shocking, when they did the Valcyte study
I wasn't even sick yet and those patients don't have their results yet  ???
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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #143 on: April 17, 2012, 04:17:37 AM »
Thanks Wildaisy for going right to the source.

Here is some information that I posted on the PR Forum regarding what I have learned about several of these studies.  Please note the information I am posting was not obtained directly from the individuals who are heading up these studies.

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?11518-MONTOYA-STUDY-needs-more-participants&p=254197#post254197

Lipkin Pathogen Gene Expression Study and Lipkin NIH Study

"If you participated in one of the recent CFS/ME studies you can contact the research center where the testing was conducted and ask if they can provide you with a current status update on the study(s).

Here is my understanding of the current estimate for completion of the Stanford/Lipkin gene expression/pathogen study. Testing is currently underway and the earliest the study is slated to be completed is June. Individual participants will receive a written report with their own test results. However, the report may not be in a format that can be easily interpreted. Therefore, some additional assistance will probably be offered to help with interpretaton of these results.

The NIH study, overseen by Dr. Lipkin, has completed the colletion collection of all the required samples and testing has begun. Estimated time for completion of the study is in 2012. Publication of the final results of the study will probably take about one year from the date the study is completed. Participants will not receive individual test results from this study.

The information provided above is my personal understanding of the current status of these two studies. Based on my past involvement with research studies, the dates given for completion and publication of a study are always estimates and often seem to be more like a moving target. "

Valcyte Study

"It is my understanding that the second Valcyte study paper is currently undergoing a review process in preparation for submission for publication. "

(Note the cross-out is my own correction to the original posting.  Unfortunately, my typing and proofreading skills are suffering along with the rest of my cognitive shortcomings.  :-[)

Thanks Wally.

~Sigh~ Looks like we're in for some long waits yet  :(. Someone cryogenically freeze me and wake me up in 5 years, please.  ;D
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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #144 on: April 28, 2012, 12:41:00 AM »
I've been hearing rumblings that some people are still expecting the Lipkin study to be published by April 30.  Apparently they missed Dr. Lipkin's statement on April 12:

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We plan to complete the first round of testing by the end of April. However, additional rounds of testing may be required. The timeline for completing the study and revealing the results is in the hands of the labs doing the research.

I think Wally's estimate sounds accurate:

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The NIH study, overseen by Dr. Lipkin, has completed the colletion collection of all the required samples and testing has begun. Estimated time for completion of the study is in 2012. Publication of the final results of the study will probably take about one year from the date the study is completed. Participants will not receive individual test results from this study.
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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #145 on: April 28, 2012, 06:50:08 AM »
I'm still hopeful for 2012 publication but I take Wally's point. This darn thing has been built up, knocked down, and delayed. Getting on my tits. Not that I expect anything - just want to get to the Next Generation Sequencing personally.

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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #146 on: April 28, 2012, 04:04:12 PM »
I'm not sure which Lipkin study Wally is refering to...

He seems to be refering to a Lipkin/Stanford study...
http://forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?11518-MONTOYA-STUDY-needs-more-participants&p=234102&viewfull=1#post234102

So I'm not sure that he is talking about Lipkin's XMRV study.
Anyone got any ideas?
« Last Edit: April 28, 2012, 04:07:41 PM by Zag »

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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #147 on: April 28, 2012, 04:07:56 PM »
Zag, Wally posted about both the Valcyte study and the Lipkin study on this thread.  For the quote I gave, Wally was discussing the Lipkin study.  Here is the full post:

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Thanks Wildaisy for going right to the source.

Here is some information that I posted on the PR Forum regarding what I have learned about several of these studies.  Please note the information I am posting was not obtained directly from the individuals who are heading up these studies.

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?11518-MONTOYA-STUDY-needs-more-participants&p=254197#post254197

Lipkin Pathogen Gene Expression Study and Lipkin NIH Study

"If you participated in one of the recent CFS/ME studies you can contact the research center where the testing was conducted and ask if they can provide you with a current status update on the study(s).

Here is my understanding of the current estimate for completion of the Stanford/Lipkin gene expression/pathogen study. Testing is currently underway and the earliest the study is slated to be completed is June. Individual participants will receive a written report with their own test results. However, the report may not be in a format that can be easily interpreted. Therefore, some additional assistance will probably be offered to help with interpretaton of these results.

The NIH study, overseen by Dr. Lipkin, has completed the colletion collection of all the required samples and testing has begun. Estimated time for completion of the study is in 2012. Publication of the final results of the study will probably take about one year from the date the study is completed. Participants will not receive individual test results from this study.

The information provided above is my personal understanding of the current status of these two studies. Based on my past involvement with research studies, the dates given for completion and publication of a study are always estimates and often seem to be more like a moving target. "

Valcyte Study

"It is my understanding that the second Valcyte study paper is currently undergoing a review process in preparation for submission for publication. "

(Note the cross-out is my own correction to the original posting.  Unfortunately, my typing and proofreading skills are suffering along with the rest of my cognitive shortcomings.  [img alt=:-[]http://www.mecfsforums.com/Smileys/akyhne/embarrassed.gif)
     
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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #148 on: April 28, 2012, 09:58:51 PM »
Zag, Wally posted about both the Valcyte study and the Lipkin study on this thread.  For the quote I gave, Wally was discussing the Lipkin study.  Here is the full post:

Thanks Wildaisy, but Wally seems to be refering to a 'second' Lipkin/Stanford/NIH study... So I don't think he's refering to Lipkin's XMRV study... Wally's post on PR seems to suggest that he's talking about a different Lipkin study.
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Re: Thoughts on the Lipkin Study
« Reply #149 on: April 29, 2012, 09:44:36 AM »
Zag,

1) There is a NIH study involving XMRV, which is often referred to on-line as the Mikovitz/Lipkin study.  This is a multi-site research study.  Dr. Mikovitz is participating in the study, but she is not using the research facilities at the WPI.   Another researcher involved in this study is Dr. Montoya who is located at Stanford University.   It is my understanding that Dr. Lipkin was asked to oversee this study (i.e. act as a project manager), but he is not involved with the actual research.  No target date for completion of this study has been announced. 

2) There is a Gene Expression/Pathogen Array Study.  I refer to this study as the Gene/Pathogen study or the Lipkin/Montoya study.   Not sure how other people refer to it, but it helps me remember that both Dr. Lipkin and Dr. Montoya are involved in this study and it is not the one that  Dr. Mikovitz is involved in.  This is not a NIH sponsored study and participants in the study will be receiving a copy of their individual results.  I don't know a target date for when the results will be released, but I believe the study may be close to being completed.  I think people are hopeful the study results will be made available soon, perhaps by the summer, but this may be just wishful thinking. 

3) The third study that I have heard about that involves Dr. Lipkin is one that is funded by a Foundation in New York.  Sorry the name alludes me right know.  I believe Dr. Klimas is involved in this study, as well as others, but I don't think Dr. Montoya is part of this study.  I don't know the status of this study.

4) Stanford Valcyte study.  This refers to the Valcyte study that was conducted at Stanford University by Dr. Montoya and Dr. Kogelnik.  This study has been published.  There was a follow-up study to the original, but these study results have not yet been published.

I hope this explanation helps.

Wally

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