This is pure speculation. Possible I suppose, but you have nothing to base the assumption on. Meanwhile we have actual reports from actual patients (not speculation) saying that the screening has involved detailed testing as per CCC.
I have found out that the info is from patients taking part.
Not to defend Fukuda, but this is not true. It is Oxford that only requires tiredness. Lipkin has said he is using CCC and Fukuda, as did Mikovits in Lombardi et al.
Ok its fatigue and 4 minor symptoms. That isn't a disease and could and will be anyone. When did Lipkin say what is to be used? If they use Fukuda first that will exclude those with CCC. Lombardi was the other way around.
I have simply said that there is no actual source provided for this claim. Without a source, the assertion must be regarded with skepticism. I don't think I said anything about an attack? In general, I sincerely hope that this study makes full use of the skills and knowledge of Mikovits and Ruscetti. If they say different sample times is essential I will believe them.
The patients are the source.
You had said "however a source needs to be provided when making such claims and then attacking the study based on them."
Their methods rely on specific sample testing. If it is not replication what use is it? If Judy and Frank cannot draw the samples the way they need to they are not having their methods or science tested.
As already stated, if you would only read, I "object as much as Gerwyn does to the stubborn insistence on using vp62 and defining XMRV according to it" (now why did I have to repeat that?). We do not, however, have any solid information to confirm what they are doing for this study.
Then you agree using VP62 would be a deliberate action to not find the viruses discovered.
What other test does the CDC have? The Lo lab has not said they are going to use anything but their failed VP62 assay.
What I think is irrelevant until a source is provided to back up the claim that this is what is being done. I will not attach a lengthy flame war on the use of contact controls to a discussion of the Lipkin study if this in fact has nothing to do with what is being planned. That would be highly misleading. Provide a source to back up the claim.
It is from patients taking part.
The statement at the start of this thread also said that objective measurements would stop opponents fillling people with chronically tired people in the FUTURE.
Anyone who doubts that people known to the participants will be used as controlls should e mail Lipkin and ask him to deny it. Also ask him how pPCR assays are going to be optimised.
Its as bad as having lab workers as controls in the blood study.